Matthew 16:18; Is this the true rock of Jesus’ church? or Satan in disguise?
Silver Tongue asked the question:
Matthew 16:18 “….that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”
This verse has been designated as a premise for the Authority of the Popes as the successor’s to St Peter, thus giving Catholicism the unique denomination of Christ’s chosen Church. BUT if you look a few verses down the page as a rebuke;
Matthew 16:23; “……said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: though art an offence to me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”
Peter then went on to deny Jesus “three times b4 the cock crow” ( though the cock crowed after the first denial in Mark 14: 66-72) ALSO
2 Corinthians 11:14-15; ” and no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works”
Could this mean the Vatican is the house of Satan?
Could this be the reason why the Catholic church seemed to act so demoniacally in their instigation of their Holy Wars! Inquisitions and Anti-Semitism? does this interpretation not fit the idea that the Church is nothing but a profiteering Bureaucracy, built on greed and a hunger for domination of the Human Conscience (soul)?
Chris; apart from this, after basing their authority on the fallen Apostle Peter, they dropped the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles for the vision of StPaul, a self appointed Apostle of whom Jesus never met! who’s arrogance brought about the decline of Jesus infavour of the almighty Trinity. Pauline doctrine is the doctrine of the Catholic church, it was voted as truth at the Council of Nicea in 325ce at the behest of the Emperor Constantine ( the saviour of Christianity) who lived as a Pagan and died an Arian!
how can this be the true church of Jesus?
the bible is open to interpretation!
Teboneo3; sorry dear but you are WRONG!!!!!! the church of Jesus was left to his brother James in Jerusalem! james was the head of the NAZERENES, that was the true church of Jesus. look closely at the answer above you, David C’s answer shows the abomination that the Catholic church has become. The entire authority over the western Empire of the Romans, which is what their claims over your soul is based on; was A LIE! the Donation of Constantine was a known forgery in the 15C, they now freely admit that this base of power, the palaces, the land. and all the authority granted to them was indeed a lie. how can the church of Jesus be founded on a lie? But the most important question you have to ask yourself is; If the Papacy is founded on a lie, then what else did they lie about? what about doctrine?mmmmm
Original Christian? this is an interpretation, the bible is still open to interpretation. I am an Atheist!! this interpretation fits better with the actual actions of the Catholic church over the last 1700 yrs, they are just a tyrannical bureaucracy. The teachings of Jesus were lost to them years ago. You say that they have learned from their mistakes, well I am not surprised! for now that they have established their position and made their Billions, they can now put them selves over as the caring loving church. we are not God and we don’t forget the sins of the past, what did the Papacy do give confession to eachother so that they would be absolved from their sins! people won’t forget
I repeat I am an Atheist
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14 Responses to “Matthew 16:18; Is this the true rock of Jesus’ church? or Satan in disguise?”
Catholics are not saved and are not Christians. Catholics believe a false gospel of works that leads to eternal hell (Galatians 1).
Bible teachers that said the Vatican and the catholic cult are an antichrist: John Bunyan, John Huss, John Wycliffe, John Calvin, William Tyndale, John Knox, Thomas Bacon, John Wesley, Charles Spurgeon, Samuel Cooper, John Cotton, and Jonathan Edwards
You need to read ALL of the Gospels. In John 21: 15-17, we see this conversation between Jesus and Peter:
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.”
He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.”
He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” (Jesus) said to him, “Feed my sheep.”
Jesus is known as the Good Shepherd and in these verses, Jesus is clearly telling Peter that he is to be the new shepherd of the flock.
Nope.
Everydaycatholic is correct - you need to read the whole thing.
Your assumption is incorrect.
Unlike what Chris said, Catholics are Christians. I am not Catholic but it is not my place to judge someone’s believes, whether I agree with them or not. Chris is just anti-Catholic, and has probably never even been to a Catholic Church.
I believe that Peter was the true leader of the early church, but any way of choosing the next leader after Peter died is pure speculation. It is not written in the scriptures if Jesus told the disciples how to choose leaders…so they may be doing it correctly(by conclave) or it could be completely wrong…only those in Heaven know the truth.
Its a good possibility they are!
God loves you….God bless
The Rock, Jesus was referring to in Matthew 16 was not Peter, but rather Peter’s statement of faith.
I’m convinced that the visions various people, usually young girls, have seen over the years, visions alledgedly of Mary, were really Satan or demons appearing as an angel of light to confuse the non Biblical religion of Rome and draw them further away from the truth.
The visions I am referring to were claimed to have been seen by Bernadette of Lourdes, France and by three children early in the beginning of the 20th century in Fatima, Porturgal and some others.
This was, I believe, one of Satan’s many attempts to get attention taken away from Jesus.
I grieve for those who have been deceived by these visions which originated in the pits of hell.
Pastor Art
No one knows the answer to that. This is a much debated issue of who the “rock” is. The Life Applications Study Bible states its explanation below:
“The rock on which Jesus would build his church has been identified as Jesus himself (his work of salvation by dying for us on the cross). Also Peter (the first great leader in the church at Jerusalem), and the confession of faith that Peter gave and that all subsequent true believers would give. Peter reminds Christians that they are the church built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ as the cornerstone (1 Peter 2:4-6).”
I am working out my own salvation as I seek the truth based on the scriptures. Whether the Vatican is going to play a spiritual role in the future, whether positive or negative, only time will tell.
Brethren,
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
What is truth? Who is god? Anyone who does thing good to people and sacrified himself, I can call him god. The arguement or trueth finders is not a issue. Anyone can make thing trueth and anyone can make thing false.
You are right Silver…the papacy is a representation of satan himself..he works through the church, the vatican even to mislead people and what is written in the Scriptures themselves. I asked a question on this earlier and it was removed cause people don’t like to hear the truth. It is one of the leading doctrines of romanism that the pope is the visible head of the universal church of Christ. Popes have even been given the title of deity. God has never given a hint in His word that He has appointed any man as the head of the church. And the doctrine of papal supremacy is directly oppsed to the teachings of the Scriptures. The pope can have no power over Christ’s church except by usurpation. People are taught that the pope is an earthly mediator and that none could approach God except through him. And this is not true at all. God alone can only rectify a person’s wrong or sin. When the Scriptures are suppressed as what happened during the Dark Ages, man comes to regard himself as supreme and above God himself, you will see nothing but fraud, deception, and the works of satan. So glad you pointed it out!
I believe that you raise more questions than most Christians/Catholics care to address–hence the tendency of most of them to hide behind the rebuke “my faith transcends your petty logic” or the Shakespearean “there is more in heaven and on Earth than in all of your philosophies”…. Whatever!
You are 100 % correct. keep studing the Words Jesus spoke, and you will see the truth, concerning Moses and Solomon, David, Saul and the Prophets. You will know who the beast is and the name of the man, nothing is hidden, a babe can understand it, but you must believe in all the Words spoken by Jesus and His witness John.
You will even know who John the Baptist is and was, but they will not believe you, but you must endure till the end.
I am you brother in Christ, a disciple of Jesus the Christ.
You are right in your question, In revelations theres a statement that says to get out of her my people if you do not want to share with her in her sins, this refers to Babylon the Great the world empire of false religion, so there is we can admit false religion is here.
We said tebone0315, I like your answer well put. Silver Tongue where in the hell did you come with those incorrect verses. First of all, this is a bad way to for a Protestant to interpret the bible and use them for his own benefits by twisting the truth. You need to read whole Matthew 16, Mark 14, and 2 Corinthians 11 to understand what is really saying. Second, logical sequence is wrong by pick those verse. Third, you or your Minister is saying God should not give authority to man to teach his teaching because man is imperfect that goes wrong with scripture. God gave the authority to Peter and the Apostles to teach. Even the Apostles gave the authority to their disciples to pass their teachings as Esteban and other. They knew how import was to carry Jesus message to the ages. The Catholic Church is run by man who is guided by Holy Spirit. They have learned from their past mistakes and now more complex government system less to fall into error. Plus, to correct the path we always go back to teaching of Christ from the beginning when Christ founded the church. Plus, Church is the New Jerusalem as on the old prophet guided the people back to the right path also the Saint of the Church do. God make word come true it says, the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. The only thing that changes is the method that it evangelized the world in time. Last for the other writers, Peter is the Rock in Aramaic it is Rock. Aramatic was Jesus Language which the orginal scripture was then later was translated to Greek.